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| Destiny vs. Strike Freedom; read the title | |
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| Topic Started: Mar 16 2009, 02:22 AM (2,770 Views) | |
| versusZ | Mar 16 2009, 02:22 AM Post #1 |
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ok so ive heard this debate before honestly but let me put a couple of stipulations to this one...im only talking about the gundams themselves NOT including who pilots them...i wanna debate about which gundam would own which if this pilot piloted the destiny or strike freedom who would win...i dont wanna hear shin in destiny vs kira in strike freedom...its obvious...or is it...though shin in strike freedom and kira in destiny are acceptable choices...one again...have fun!! ill input my opinions later |
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Mar 16 2009, 08:44 AM Post #2 |
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I'm guaranteeing this post will have a lot of comments. If we leave the pilots out of this, i think the strike freedom would win, cuz of its weaponry, strike freedom has dragoons, destiny, all it has is its beam cannon,sword, and beam boomerangs. *Sniff* strike freedom would win |
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| NothingZternal | Mar 16 2009, 10:23 AM Post #3 |
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Although I h8 both of the pilots, Strike Freedom is too Over-Powered to lose, so id have to go with Strike Freedom. Now if it was SF vs Infinite Justice, thats a dif. story |
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| sashi4440 | Mar 16 2009, 10:35 AM Post #4 |
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I think that in a long or medium range battle the Strike Freedom would win, but the Destiny might perform better at close quarters. Remember how Athrun used a standard Zaku against the Chaos,Abyss & Gaia? It's all down to maximizing your strength and exploiting the other guys flaws. |
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| Aulon | Mar 17 2009, 07:16 AM Post #5 |
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I think that Destiny can win this fight but pilot must use WoL to quickly get in close combat, then it' just matter of time before SF falls. It would be easier if battle was on Earth 'cause CE Dragoons can't be used in atmosphere. Much interesting fight would be betewn IJ and Destiny tough. I would pay same seious mony to see SF versus Akatsuki  since only usable SF weapon would be railguns and sabers.
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Mar 17 2009, 07:50 AM Post #6 |
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dragoons cant work in the atmosphere? well, that changes the battle alot, still i cant decide lol |
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| Doudoudoudouduu | Mar 17 2009, 01:54 PM Post #7 |
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I still can't understand how a popstar can build a MS that's stronger than a ZAFT prototype, so I'm gonna say Destiny > SF |
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| NothingZternal | Mar 17 2009, 09:03 PM Post #8 |
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lol nice logic there |
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| ShinnAsuka | Mar 18 2009, 04:32 PM Post #9 |
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Whatever kira pilots wins, don't you know he's the ultimate coordinator? if they had equal pilots, destiny would have a chance, he'll have a chance to chop SF in half 
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| NothingZternal | Mar 18 2009, 07:44 PM Post #10 |
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well.... kira is the ultimate coordinator and hes the best pilot, but the problem is that kira doesn't get any better at piloting. |
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| ShinnAsuka | Mar 18 2009, 07:55 PM Post #11 |
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but dont forget, he's the best pilot and no one matches up to him as a pilot, as far as i know |
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| NothingZternal | Mar 18 2009, 08:29 PM Post #12 |
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but.....Shin owned him in impulse |
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| NothingZternal | Mar 18 2009, 08:29 PM Post #13 |
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but that was with rey's planning. poosauce i lost |
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| ShinnAsuka | Mar 18 2009, 10:04 PM Post #14 |
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lol, i was about to say that, if he never knew that freedom never aims for the cockpit, he would of lost |
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| sashi4440 | Mar 19 2009, 07:28 AM Post #15 |
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I think the stipulation was to discuss mobile suits not their pilots, as in suit capabilities. |
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| Aulon | Mar 19 2009, 02:29 PM Post #16 |
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Well, Bandai likes to make backsory for MGs so you can find some nice info in the instruction: (I'm not sure if I remeber evrything corectly but anyway) Strike Freedom was constructed by Terminal (the same organization that builded Eternal) from parts and blueprints of mass produce Freedom stolen from ZAFT (along with Dom Troopers). Unit was later customizad for personal use by Kira Yamato, as he was Ultimate Coordinator normal machines wouldn't be able to keep up with his reflexes so SF got special magnetic coating (wich we can see as golden joints). In the instruction there was also something about SF being equiped with system based on Stargazer's Volture Lumiere wich can be used when Dragoons are detached. So yeah, Bandai said that S Freedom has Wings of Light. IMO in terms of raw power SF is the winner, because teorethicaly Destiny can "ran out of juice" despite having N-Jammer Canceler and Nuclar Reactor - that's because he has hyper deuterion Nuclear Reactor. But as I said before place in wich battle would take place is very important. |
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Mar 20 2009, 08:49 AM Post #17 |
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I kno this is a bit off topic, but who do u think would win, strike freedom or 00 Raiser? |
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| ShinnAsuka | Mar 20 2009, 11:24 AM Post #18 |
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i think 00 raiser simply due to trans am |
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| Saber | Mar 20 2009, 03:59 PM Post #19 |
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One might argue that there's no need for improvement if you've already reached the top. --- Anyway, I think on sheer mechanic performances, Strike Freedom wins, although I'd say it might be close. Originally, the Strike Freedom was supposed to be pretty much ZAFT's absolute ace card. The X10A Freedom it was mostly based on already was the state of the art machine, even three years after it first entered service, even against newer mobile suits. Crossing this design with new technologies and abilities, they turned it into the greatest portable weapon of mass destruction within the Cosmic Era, but unfortunately, no one could pilot it except for everyone's favorite ultimate Coordinator, Kira Yamato, who wins by default and plot armor, except when it's for the sake of plot and antagonizing Shinn even more. In terms of power, I actually think that both machines have equal abilities, they are just focussing on different spots. Destiny pretty much is a general purpose MS, while the Strike Freedom is focussed almost entirely on ranged combat. In a sword fight, I think Destiny might overpower Strike Freedom, but I guess only if the SF had no access to it's ranged weaponry, i.e. all DRAGOONs destroyed and Rail Cannons out of action. Otherwise, we'd get Shirahadori all over again. Ranged combat might also be somewhat evenly matched. We've seen that Destiny's M2000GX DOES match SF's Callidus, and while deploying it's Wings of Light, Destiny IS able to dodge the DRAGOONs. Which brings me to the side question, if Strike Freedom has the Wings of Light as stated in the Master Grade booklet, does it have the same effect as Destiny's? We see in the anime that it does generate light from the DRAGOON stocks, but it doesn't generate afterimages or anything, so might it as well be that it only has them for the sake of having them? Also, the Extreme Burst Mode Master Grade of Destiny has a silver colored inner frame, is there perhaps any connection between this and SF's cold colored joints, as in, resisting higher G-Forces etc? Now that I think about it, I can't really tell which machine would win, it's probably up to the pilots and I still think it's a damn shame that they never really had any fight other than Shinn and Rey teaming up on Kira during the battle of Orb. They even made official wallpapers with Destiny and Strike Freedom ripping the crap out of each other, why didn't we get something that awesome? >_> ---
Lacus didn't build it, the Clyne faction and Terminal build it. The only thing that Lacus did for that machine, if at all, was to name it as sort of good luck charm. Edited by Saber, Mar 20 2009, 04:01 PM.
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| ArcherArios | Mar 21 2009, 12:15 AM Post #20 |
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Ok this is a little off topic but I dont know why Athrun seems to be better than any pilot when in seed mode You can see this when IJ and Destiny stabs each other IJ received no damage while Destiny got cut on his waist Or when he enters seed mode at the end of destiny he beats destiny with no problem at all |
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| Saber | Mar 21 2009, 05:13 AM Post #21 |
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Perhaps because unlike Shinn, who uses his SEED mode always in rage, Athrun can control his anger. |
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Mar 21 2009, 08:28 AM Post #22 |
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It depends on the writer, basically you dont wanna get rid of a ms till a certain point. It has to flow with the story line |
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| versusZ | Mar 21 2009, 05:05 PM Post #23 |
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this whole athrun thing IS a little of topic according to the title but im honestly open for anything at this point...Saber made it really clear that the 2 mentioned gundams are equal in abilities according to a mechanical sense in which he/she states by commenting on specs and such of the two gundams so i guess its safe to say that even if you gave the two gundams to equally normal pilots...it would be a close match and it would all come down to a particular series of events...so with that said how about we talk about which other gundam would be able to beat destiny AND strike freedom...considering specs and equally skilled pilots...though not including athrun, shinn, kira or whomever...just normal pilots imo...if you threw in IJ...the match would be wonderfully intense but without the very chill athrun in the picture...who knows |
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| sashi4440 | Mar 22 2009, 09:29 AM Post #24 |
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Could the Akatsuki beat them? With its anti beam reflective coating it could render any beam weapon attack useless right? In space you probably wont be able to get close to it to use melee weapons bcos of its dragoons(shiranui pack). |
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| Saber | Mar 22 2009, 02:11 PM Post #25 |
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I don't think Akatsuki is on par with any of the other protagonist suits, and even Mu's newtype powers aren't enough to give it the edge in a one on one or FFA with the likes of Strike Freedom, Infinite Justice, Destiny and Legend, little less than Cagalli's poor piloting. Also, I think that the abilities of Akatsuki's Yata no Kagami are rather dubious. We see in the series that deflecting a shot from Destiny's Beam Cannon or even the Minerva's goddamn Tannhäuser is no problem, yet still an arm of the suit is cut off by one of Destiny's Flash Edge II boomerangs. I think this is kind of inconsistent. It's both beam technology and I think people will agree that a shot from a positron cannon has a little more power behind it than a mobile suit wielded beam boomerang. Edited by Saber, Mar 22 2009, 02:12 PM.
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Mar 24 2009, 05:03 PM Post #26 |
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i'm sure as heck that the whole MS is not covered in reflective coating, so there are possible weak spots. For instance, the joints, neck area |
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| carlosbd | Mar 24 2009, 07:06 PM Post #27 |
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the akatsuki got damaged like that bcause of cagali's lack of pilot training or poor piloting she is still weak...... if kira did not come she would have died |
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| MrCapcom | Mar 30 2009, 03:07 PM Post #28 |
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I love destiny so ill say Destiny but thing is each MS works best for each pilot I thought Destiny was customed to Shinn? Shinn cool but he kept going off the deep end too much. Kira is a great pilot I think if he didn' t have freedom he would probally loose. But fully customized with both pilots I would like to say shinn would win but he would probally freak out and mess up and then Freedom/Kira do that barrel roll and slice off something |
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| carlosbd | Mar 30 2009, 11:16 PM Post #29 |
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got thing destiny does not have extra flyers like his impulse, cause that was his advantage at beating freedom |
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| blarg1409 | Apr 6 2009, 11:18 AM Post #30 |
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i think it would be a close fight, but id say the strike freedom, only cos it has its dragoons (which are cheap) so the could distract the destiny while the strike freedom would do some kind of voodoo. but then the Wing Zero Custom would just blow up the strike freedom cos its the best ^.^ |
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